Touchable in more complex networks

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#1

Hello, I have deployed more complex network solution to my band’s setup where there are multiple VLANs involved (Artnet/Dante/Control messages/LED wall/…). I wanted to ask if that is even supported by Touchable as unfortunatelly my laptop running Ableton (and feeding Dante audio through network) sits on a different VLAN than my WifiRouter taking care of other stuff. Unfortunately, to be able to start our show remotely, I need to connect my phone to that WiFi router which obviously have different network than the Laptop sitting behind a Switch.

Am I overlooking anything or is this just a nonsense to make it work?
If necessary I can provide some simple diagram how the network looks.

Thank you very much.

#2

Hi, touchable can work launching scene or slots, connected at the same network as the Live, or connected directly to his usb port or dedicated hub, therefore any file, audio, midi or video will be launched from Touchable, any movement of faders, buttons, tempo changes, play-stop, mute, solo loop on-off, ecc, will have immediate feedback on the desktop . I’d say it’s worth a try.

#3

Thank you for rely.
I resolved this by getting rid of all VLANs and setting my router to AccessPoint mode but it’s not an ideal solution as having all the communication within one network it might eventually spoil the Dante audio which is the most important traffic there.
Of course I set the QoS on my switch to prefer Dante but still it would have been much safer to have the networks separated.

If anybody knows any possibility how to make that work across networks, any advice would be very welcomed. If not I will stay on one network for now.

Cheers

#4

I asked Chet my chatgpt bot. Here’s his answear. It might be a good start finding a working setup. Your concerns about interference btw vlans is correct. You have to take that seriously especially in stage shows with lots if data flying around. Good luck

Here’s the translated and expanded version of my previous recommendation, along with a list of dedicated apps for controlling various AoIP protocols, stage lighting, and MIDI control on both iOS and Android platforms.

To manage two VLANs within a unified network and enable wireless control via an iPhone, you can consider the following equipment:

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Ubiquiti EdgeRouter X
A cost-effective router that supports advanced VLAN management, providing reliable performance for small to medium-sized networks.
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Netgear GS108Tv3
An 8-port gigabit smart managed switch that allows VLAN configuration and Quality of Service (QoS) settings to prioritize time-sensitive traffic like Dante.
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Ubiquiti UniFi AP AC Lite
A wireless access point capable of handling multiple SSIDs and VLANs, ensuring stable wireless communication for control signals.
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Configuration and Control:

  1. VLAN Setup:

    • VLAN 1: Dedicated to time-sensitive traffic such as Dante.
    • VLAN 2: Used for control signals and other network traffic.

  2. Wireless Access Point:

    • Configure the access point with two separate SSIDs, each linked to the respective VLAN.
    • Ensure the iPhone connects to the SSID associated with VLAN 2 for control signals.

  3. iPhone Control:

    • Utilize a dedicated app to manage the main scenes of the show.
    • Ensure the app is compatible with network protocols and can communicate effectively over Wi-Fi.

Key Considerations:

  • QoS Settings:

    • Implement Quality of Service on the switch to ensure time-sensitive traffic is prioritized and unaffected by other network activities.

  • Security:

    • Employ strong passwords and appropriate security protocols to protect the network from unauthorized access.

  • Interference:

    • Minimize the use of wireless devices on stage to reduce potential interference with control signals.

Dedicated Apps for AoIP Protocols, Stage Lighting, and MIDI Control:

Here are several applications available on iOS and Android that can assist in controlling various AoIP protocols, stage lighting, and MIDI control:

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Luminair 4
A professional lighting control app for iOS devices, supporting DMX over Wi-Fi and offering a user-friendly interface for controlling lighting setups.
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StageLight - DMX Controller
An iPad app based on Art-Net (DMX512 over IP) that combines the classic hardware lighting console feel with modern, intuitive user interaction.
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TouchOSC
A modular control surface app available for both iOS and Android, allowing users to send and receive Open Sound Control (OSC) and MIDI messages over Wi-Fi.
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Vibrio
A revolutionary DMX lighting control software for the iPad, providing an intuitive solution to handle lighting for venues or shows.
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Lightjams OSC to DMX
A software solution that allows real-time control of DMX lighting using OSC (Open Sound Control) messages, facilitating integration with various control devices.
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DMXcat
An app that simplifies the control, analysis, and testing of DMX or Ethernet lighting fixtures, making it easier to manage complex lighting setups.
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By implementing the recommended equipment and utilizing these applications, you can establish a stable and efficient network environment. This setup will facilitate seamless control of the main scenes via an iPhone, while ensuring that time-sensitive traffic remains prioritized and uninterrupted.

I hope this helps achieve the desired setup. If there are any further questions or clarifications needed, feel free to ask!

Cheers / Tord via Chet (ChatGPT bot)